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First CEO of Gucci, now Chairman of Tom Ford International. Domenico De Sole has an eye for style, stores and the bottom line

Over the last decade, collaborations between luxury brands and contemporary artists have gone beyond mere artistic partnerships towards a new kind of luxury branding.

PARIS – Art and fashion have always developed side by side, for fashion, like art, often gives visual expression to the cultural zeitgeist. During the 1920s, Salvador Dalí created dresses for Coco Chanel and Elsa Schiapparelli. In the 1930s, Ferragamo’s shoes commissioned designs for advertisements from Futurist painter Lucio Venna, while Gianni Versace commissioned works from artists such as Alighiero Boetti and Roy Lichtenstein for the launch of his collections. Yves Saint Laurent’s vast art collection, recently auctioned at Christie’s in Paris, testified to his great love of art and revealed the influence of a variety of artists on his own designs.

In the 1980s, relationships between luxury brands and artists were advanced when Alain Dominique Perrin created the Fondation Cartier. In the Fondation Cartier pour l’Art Contemporain, a book marking the foundation’s 20th anniversary, Perrin says he makes “a connection between all the different sorts of arts, and luxury goods are a kind of art. Luxury goods are handicrafts of art, applied art.”

The Fondation Cartier pour l’Art Contemparain building in Paris

First CEO of Gucci, now Chairman of Tom Ford International. Domenico De Sole has an eye for style, stores and the bottom line

First CEO of Gucci, now Chairman of Tom Ford International. Domenico De Sole has an eye for style, stores and the bottom line.

We size each other up a little, Domenico De Sole and I, in the lobby of his central London hotel, to see how much we may have changed in the dozen or so years since the “Handbag Wars” in which Gucci – under the leadership of De Sole – fought to stay out of the clutches of LVMH – under the leadership of Bernard Arnaud.

That two-year battle ended September 10, 2011, when PPR and LVMH signed a deal in which PPR (which had essentially taken over Gucci in a white knight manoeuvre orchestrated by De Sole himself, showing his Harvard Law School-corporate lawyer roots) agreed to buy LVMH’s stake in Gucci two years out for the closing market price.

That was the day before two hijacked planes toppled the World Trade Towers in Manhattan and the world changed. Shares of luxury goods companies crashed but Gucci was still stuck with paying the higher price for LVMH shares.

Now, as if nine years in the high-powered world of luxury wasn’t enough – a stint that included taking Gucci from near-bankruptcy, with everything from tax evasion to murder in its murky past, to the keystone of the PPR luxury group – De Sole is back at it as Chairman of Tom Ford International.

“ The two-year battle for Gucci ended September 10, 2011, when PPR agreed to buy LVMH’s stake ”

“Tom and I left for the US on the same day,” he reminisces. “May 1, 2004. It was a difficult moment for me and I know it was a difficult moment for Tom Ford.”

The Rome native and his American-born wife Eleanore decamped to the Sea Pines Resort in Hilton Head, North Carolina – a haven overlooking the sea with nearly two dozen golf courses. Since 2005, one room has served as De Sole’s global headquarters. The man doesn’t play golf. Retirement was no more than a pit stop.

“I went to visit Tom at his beautiful ranch in Santa Fe (New Mexico) just a social visit, no business purpose. He was about to make a movie (“A Single Man”(and he said he wanted to go back into business. So my advice to him was it had to be done pretty quickly. We agreed and went back into business together…and my retirement was postponed.”

Once the decision was made, things moved fast: start-up money came from their own pockets; makeup and eyewear licensing agreements with Estee Lauder and the Marcolin Group, respectively, were signed in 2005.

“ 2007 was not the best year to launch a business, even with an internationally known name ”

The products themselves were launched the next year, and in April 2007 the first collection was presented at the first store, in New York, for men. Women’s clothing was launched in September 2010.

It’s that timing thing again: 2007 was not the best year to launch a business, even with an internationally known name. “It was a difficult time, you know – ’08, ’09, part of 2010, but we moved along and felt very proud of the progress the brand has made.”

That progress comes about as the artful manipulation of expansion and cost control, of licensing and keeping a close eye on details. Tom Ford International has 20 stores, seven of which have opened in the past 12 months or so, plus a flagship store in London that opened this autumn. Besides the US and Milan, there are stores in Mainland China, Japan, Korea and Hong Kong.

Tom Ford Paris boutique on Rue Saint Honoré

The Store’s the Thing

Stores are De Sole’s weakness.” We do invest in beautiful stores because it’s part of the approach to the brand. – to be a leading luxury brand “All the stores now feature both men’ and women’s clothes. Distribution is tightly controlled.

“Its very limited distribution,” says De Sole. “Outside of our own stores, to give you an idea, in the US we sell only to Bergdorf Goodman and elected department stores. Tom is an amazing perfectionist and he approves everything.”

And who is the customer at whom all this perfection is aimed? “Our clients tend to be people who really seem to enjoy a high quality, a very beautiful product, willing to obviously pay an appropriate price for the product.” That price is upwards of $100 for a 4-color eye shadow palette, or around $1200 for a pair of perfectly cut black gabardine slacks.

“ The expectation of service is very, very high. If a suit is not perfectly made, we hear back very quickly ”

“Most importantly there’s one big piece that I think I’ve noticed at this level, and that’s quality of service. The expectation of service is very, very high. If a suit is not perfectly made, we hear back very quickly.”

The customers demanding perfection and high levels of service are not the same as De Sole’s Gucci days. “In the ‘90’s remember the strongest part of the market was Japan, not just in Japan bit also by the Japanese travelling abroad,” he remembers.

“What has really changed today is the emergence of China – and Asia in general, led by China. Not only have we seen the strength and the growth of the business within China but also the buying power that Chinese have traveling abroad.”

“ The consumption of luxury goods in the US in the last couple of years has been quite good ”

Still, there’s that slow-down in the Chinese economy everyone is worried about. ‘’I’m actually optimistic,” De Sole says, referring to China and the outlook for luxury in the coming year. “There is a slowdown in China, but from everything I hear and everything I see – we have stores there – things are picking up."

“I think the economy is recovering in the United States. The consumption of luxury goods in the US in the last couple of years has been quite good. Europe went through a very difficult period and hopefully things will improve. Historically, European luxury stores became propelled to success by a lot of ‘visitors.’

“In the ‘90’s Japanese visitors, now Chinese, Asian, new countries emerging – a lot of Brazilian customers. I really do believe this is very helpful to the luxury industry.”

Tom Ford Paris boutique on Rue Saint Honoré

Dom and Tom

De Sole’s connection to Tom Ford – the man – goes back a long time, to the early days at Gucci when De Sole gave moral support to the young designer in tumultuous days, propelling him to prominence during the Gucci power struggle – PPR years, 1999-2004.

“We have great respect for each other and we love to work together,” De Sole says of the pair, known in the industry as “Dom and Tom.” He continues, “I think having a good balance of business and creative is very important.

“I do have a very clear distinction I my mind between business and creativity. You don’t need to be very creative to do certain things and learn about the business. On the other hand, having a creative force is a gift of nature, which is something very, very special and unique.”

“ I think having a good balance of business and creative is very important ”

“To give you an example, I obviously have a very good sense for the business; I have a very good sense for stores. I also have a very good sense of a collection – whether a collection is good or bad, how successful the collection would be eventually in the stores."

“But it’s one thing to have that kind of sense, which is good, another to be creative. I can certainly look at a collection, be critical and have a great understanding of what the collection is all about, but then if somebody said ‘OK, you don’t like it, you do it,’ I really wouldn’t know where to start.”

And what’s next for this erstwhile retiree who doesn’t (yet?) play golf? “I really love what I’m doing. It’s an exciting business. I do a lot of traveling and sometimes I eel tired but people tell me that working hard keeps you young, so I take their advice and I’ve no other plan than to just keep working.”

This article appears with permissions from INSEAD Knowledge

For more in our series of conversations with Luxury Leaders, please see our most recent editions as follows:

In Conversation With Andrew Keith, President, Lane Crawford & Joyce Group
In Conversation With Michele Norsa, CEO, Salvatore Ferragamo
In Conversation With Marc A. Hayek, Swatch Group

Shellie Karabell
Shellie Karabell

Contributor

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Interview: Domenico de Sole, Chairman, Tom Ford

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Shellie Karabell

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First CEO of Gucci, now Chairman of Tom Ford International. Domenico De Sole has an eye for style, stores and the bottom line

Over the last decade, collaborations between luxury brands and contemporary artists have gone beyond mere artistic partnerships towards a new kind of luxury branding.

PARIS – Art and fashion have always developed side by side, for fashion, like art, often gives visual expression to the cultural zeitgeist. During the 1920s, Salvador Dalí created dresses for Coco Chanel and Elsa Schiapparelli. In the 1930s, Ferragamo’s shoes commissioned designs for advertisements from Futurist painter Lucio Venna, while Gianni Versace commissioned works from artists such as Alighiero Boetti and Roy Lichtenstein for the launch of his collections. Yves Saint Laurent’s vast art collection, recently auctioned at Christie’s in Paris, testified to his great love of art and revealed the influence of a variety of artists on his own designs.

In the 1980s, relationships between luxury brands and artists were advanced when Alain Dominique Perrin created the Fondation Cartier. In the Fondation Cartier pour l’Art Contemporain, a book marking the foundation’s 20th anniversary, Perrin says he makes “a connection between all the different sorts of arts, and luxury goods are a kind of art. Luxury goods are handicrafts of art, applied art.”

The Fondation Cartier pour l’Art Contemparain building in Paris

First CEO of Gucci, now Chairman of Tom Ford International. Domenico De Sole has an eye for style, stores and the bottom line

First CEO of Gucci, now Chairman of Tom Ford International. Domenico De Sole has an eye for style, stores and the bottom line.

We size each other up a little, Domenico De Sole and I, in the lobby of his central London hotel, to see how much we may have changed in the dozen or so years since the “Handbag Wars” in which Gucci – under the leadership of De Sole – fought to stay out of the clutches of LVMH – under the leadership of Bernard Arnaud.

That two-year battle ended September 10, 2011, when PPR and LVMH signed a deal in which PPR (which had essentially taken over Gucci in a white knight manoeuvre orchestrated by De Sole himself, showing his Harvard Law School-corporate lawyer roots) agreed to buy LVMH’s stake in Gucci two years out for the closing market price.

That was the day before two hijacked planes toppled the World Trade Towers in Manhattan and the world changed. Shares of luxury goods companies crashed but Gucci was still stuck with paying the higher price for LVMH shares.

Now, as if nine years in the high-powered world of luxury wasn’t enough – a stint that included taking Gucci from near-bankruptcy, with everything from tax evasion to murder in its murky past, to the keystone of the PPR luxury group – De Sole is back at it as Chairman of Tom Ford International.

“ The two-year battle for Gucci ended September 10, 2011, when PPR agreed to buy LVMH’s stake ”

“Tom and I left for the US on the same day,” he reminisces. “May 1, 2004. It was a difficult moment for me and I know it was a difficult moment for Tom Ford.”

The Rome native and his American-born wife Eleanore decamped to the Sea Pines Resort in Hilton Head, North Carolina – a haven overlooking the sea with nearly two dozen golf courses. Since 2005, one room has served as De Sole’s global headquarters. The man doesn’t play golf. Retirement was no more than a pit stop.

“I went to visit Tom at his beautiful ranch in Santa Fe (New Mexico) just a social visit, no business purpose. He was about to make a movie (“A Single Man”(and he said he wanted to go back into business. So my advice to him was it had to be done pretty quickly. We agreed and went back into business together…and my retirement was postponed.”

Once the decision was made, things moved fast: start-up money came from their own pockets; makeup and eyewear licensing agreements with Estee Lauder and the Marcolin Group, respectively, were signed in 2005.

“ 2007 was not the best year to launch a business, even with an internationally known name ”

The products themselves were launched the next year, and in April 2007 the first collection was presented at the first store, in New York, for men. Women’s clothing was launched in September 2010.

It’s that timing thing again: 2007 was not the best year to launch a business, even with an internationally known name. “It was a difficult time, you know – ’08, ’09, part of 2010, but we moved along and felt very proud of the progress the brand has made.”

That progress comes about as the artful manipulation of expansion and cost control, of licensing and keeping a close eye on details. Tom Ford International has 20 stores, seven of which have opened in the past 12 months or so, plus a flagship store in London that opened this autumn. Besides the US and Milan, there are stores in Mainland China, Japan, Korea and Hong Kong.

Tom Ford Paris boutique on Rue Saint Honoré

The Store’s the Thing

Stores are De Sole’s weakness.” We do invest in beautiful stores because it’s part of the approach to the brand. – to be a leading luxury brand “All the stores now feature both men’ and women’s clothes. Distribution is tightly controlled.

“Its very limited distribution,” says De Sole. “Outside of our own stores, to give you an idea, in the US we sell only to Bergdorf Goodman and elected department stores. Tom is an amazing perfectionist and he approves everything.”

And who is the customer at whom all this perfection is aimed? “Our clients tend to be people who really seem to enjoy a high quality, a very beautiful product, willing to obviously pay an appropriate price for the product.” That price is upwards of $100 for a 4-color eye shadow palette, or around $1200 for a pair of perfectly cut black gabardine slacks.

“ The expectation of service is very, very high. If a suit is not perfectly made, we hear back very quickly ”

“Most importantly there’s one big piece that I think I’ve noticed at this level, and that’s quality of service. The expectation of service is very, very high. If a suit is not perfectly made, we hear back very quickly.”

The customers demanding perfection and high levels of service are not the same as De Sole’s Gucci days. “In the ‘90’s remember the strongest part of the market was Japan, not just in Japan bit also by the Japanese travelling abroad,” he remembers.

“What has really changed today is the emergence of China – and Asia in general, led by China. Not only have we seen the strength and the growth of the business within China but also the buying power that Chinese have traveling abroad.”

“ The consumption of luxury goods in the US in the last couple of years has been quite good ”

Still, there’s that slow-down in the Chinese economy everyone is worried about. ‘’I’m actually optimistic,” De Sole says, referring to China and the outlook for luxury in the coming year. “There is a slowdown in China, but from everything I hear and everything I see – we have stores there – things are picking up."

“I think the economy is recovering in the United States. The consumption of luxury goods in the US in the last couple of years has been quite good. Europe went through a very difficult period and hopefully things will improve. Historically, European luxury stores became propelled to success by a lot of ‘visitors.’

“In the ‘90’s Japanese visitors, now Chinese, Asian, new countries emerging – a lot of Brazilian customers. I really do believe this is very helpful to the luxury industry.”

Tom Ford Paris boutique on Rue Saint Honoré

Dom and Tom

De Sole’s connection to Tom Ford – the man – goes back a long time, to the early days at Gucci when De Sole gave moral support to the young designer in tumultuous days, propelling him to prominence during the Gucci power struggle – PPR years, 1999-2004.

“We have great respect for each other and we love to work together,” De Sole says of the pair, known in the industry as “Dom and Tom.” He continues, “I think having a good balance of business and creative is very important.

“I do have a very clear distinction I my mind between business and creativity. You don’t need to be very creative to do certain things and learn about the business. On the other hand, having a creative force is a gift of nature, which is something very, very special and unique.”

“ I think having a good balance of business and creative is very important ”

“To give you an example, I obviously have a very good sense for the business; I have a very good sense for stores. I also have a very good sense of a collection – whether a collection is good or bad, how successful the collection would be eventually in the stores."

“But it’s one thing to have that kind of sense, which is good, another to be creative. I can certainly look at a collection, be critical and have a great understanding of what the collection is all about, but then if somebody said ‘OK, you don’t like it, you do it,’ I really wouldn’t know where to start.”

And what’s next for this erstwhile retiree who doesn’t (yet?) play golf? “I really love what I’m doing. It’s an exciting business. I do a lot of traveling and sometimes I eel tired but people tell me that working hard keeps you young, so I take their advice and I’ve no other plan than to just keep working.”

This article appears with permissions from INSEAD Knowledge

For more in our series of conversations with Luxury Leaders, please see our most recent editions as follows:

In Conversation With Andrew Keith, President, Lane Crawford & Joyce Group
In Conversation With Michele Norsa, CEO, Salvatore Ferragamo
In Conversation With Marc A. Hayek, Swatch Group

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